I couldn't agree more. Plone/Zope is a beast.

If you're looking for something PHP based, I can't recommend Symphony
enough: http://symphony-cms.com.

Nothing else in the PHP world matches it in terms of flexibility.

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Cliff Wells wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-06-26 at 19:39 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> > >> - php-based
> >
> > Because right now i know a little PHP, so if a PHP-based CMS happens
> > to crash or if there's something i might want to change, i'll know
> > what i'm looking at when i open the hood.
> >
> > > For this and other reasons, we usually prefer Plone (Python-based,
> > > www.plone.org).
> >
> > Which would mean i'd have (or want) to learn Python. It's on my list,
> > but not checked yet. Plus, this is obviously my opinion, i feel
> > scripting languages make much more sense than programming languages as
> > far as web-content goes. I like how PHP is embeded in HTML and
> > vice-versa, makes sense to me.
> >
> > I've barely explored Python, though, but i'll check out Plone.
>
> Plone runs on Zope, which is pretty much the opposite of "lightweight".
> It's huge and slow (although quite powerful if you want to dedicate a
> goodly portion of your life to learning it).
> You won't be able to handle any significant amount of traffic without a
> dedicated server (better yet, two dedicated servers, one server running
> Squid as a caching proxy in front of a Zope cluster on the other
> server).
>
> If you want lightweight and easy, I'd stick with a PHP blog or CMS
> (although you'll want to be *very* wary of security flaws) *or* if you
> are willing to learn Python (pretty easy), I'd consider using a lighter
> Python framework such as Pylons or Turbogears.
>
> Cliff
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