Survey, someone have skills/time to continue the development of php-fpm?
Posted by Martin
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Martin
Survey, someone have skills/time to continue the development of php-fpm? July 04, 2009 11:03AM |
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Re: Survey, someone have skills/time to continue the development of php-fpm? July 04, 2009 02:06PM |
Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 833 |
Money - funding for development (ongoing and future enhancements)
Documentation (make sure it's up to date)
Writing some sort of test cases so we can run automated tests on the
patches to try to automatically find things ahead of time. Right now I
do a compile, make test and then I throw some load at the server to
see if it snaps. That's the best I've got. S
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On Jul 4, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Martin <gpointorama@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Independently on what Michael will choose to do: git, launchpad, pecl
> etc. if no one is interested to start coding something new the project
> is lost...
>
> I'm not that expert of C, libevent and the internal architecture of
> php-fpm but I'm hoping to contribute in some way...
>
Documentation (make sure it's up to date)
Writing some sort of test cases so we can run automated tests on the
patches to try to automatically find things ahead of time. Right now I
do a compile, make test and then I throw some load at the server to
see if it snaps. That's the best I've got. S
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 4, 2009, at 8:03 AM, Martin <gpointorama@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Independently on what Michael will choose to do: git, launchpad, pecl
> etc. if no one is interested to start coding something new the project
> is lost...
>
> I'm not that expert of C, libevent and the internal architecture of
> php-fpm but I'm hoping to contribute in some way...
>
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Antony Dovgal
Re: Survey, someone have skills/time to continue the development of php-fpm? July 04, 2009 03:37PM |
On 04.07.2009 19:03, Martin wrote:
> Independently on what Michael will choose to do: git, launchpad, pecl
> etc. if no one is interested to start coding something new the project
> is lost...
This problem is solved as soon as FPM gets into the core.
Until then I personally see not much point in spending time on it.
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> Independently on what Michael will choose to do: git, launchpad, pecl
> etc. if no one is interested to start coding something new the project
> is lost...
This problem is solved as soon as FPM gets into the core.
Until then I personally see not much point in spending time on it.
--
Wbr,
Antony Dovgal
---
http://pinba.org - realtime statistics for PHP
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Davy Campano
Re: Survey, someone have skills/time to continue the development of php-fpm? July 04, 2009 04:01PM |
I don't know anyone who doesn't want this to get merged into the core. The
question has been 'how' to get it into the core so it gets actively
developed. As far as I know, Michael has communicated with some of the PHP
programmers and they expressed interest. If anyone else has some way to
push to get it into the core, then that would be great. I think getting it
in the core should be the ultimate goal so that it can be actively
developed.
Davy
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Antony Dovgal wrote:
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> On 04.07.2009 19:03, Martin wrote:
> > Independently on what Michael will choose to do: git, launchpad, pecl
> > etc. if no one is interested to start coding something new the project
> > is lost...
>
> This problem is solved as soon as FPM gets into the core.
> Until then I personally see not much point in spending time on it.
>
> --
> Wbr,
> Antony Dovgal
> ---
> http://pinba.org - realtime statistics for PHP
>
question has been 'how' to get it into the core so it gets actively
developed. As far as I know, Michael has communicated with some of the PHP
programmers and they expressed interest. If anyone else has some way to
push to get it into the core, then that would be great. I think getting it
in the core should be the ultimate goal so that it can be actively
developed.
Davy
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Antony Dovgal wrote:
>
> On 04.07.2009 19:03, Martin wrote:
> > Independently on what Michael will choose to do: git, launchpad, pecl
> > etc. if no one is interested to start coding something new the project
> > is lost...
>
> This problem is solved as soon as FPM gets into the core.
> Until then I personally see not much point in spending time on it.
>
> --
> Wbr,
> Antony Dovgal
> ---
> http://pinba.org - realtime statistics for PHP
>
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Re: Survey, someone have skills/time to continue the development of php-fpm? July 04, 2009 04:32PM |
Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 833 |
You don't think there is any value in enhancing it in the meantime?
There's some gaps that could be bridged ahead of time so when they are
ready to accept it into the core, we'll have things like a reporting
interface, adaptive process spawning, possibly even dynamic
reconfiguration, and whatever else.
I'd like to at least keep focus on the adaptive process spawning -
that is the major lacking feature and it would be great if that could
get implemented asap.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Antony Dovgal<tony@daylessday.org> wrote:
>
> On 04.07.2009 19:03, Martin wrote:
>> Independently on what Michael will choose to do: git, launchpad, pecl
>> etc. if no one is interested to start coding something new the project
>> is lost...
>
> This problem is solved as soon as FPM gets into the core.
> Until then I personally see not much point in spending time on it.
>
> --
> Wbr,
> Antony Dovgal
> ---
> http://pinba.org - realtime statistics for PHP
>
There's some gaps that could be bridged ahead of time so when they are
ready to accept it into the core, we'll have things like a reporting
interface, adaptive process spawning, possibly even dynamic
reconfiguration, and whatever else.
I'd like to at least keep focus on the adaptive process spawning -
that is the major lacking feature and it would be great if that could
get implemented asap.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Antony Dovgal<tony@daylessday.org> wrote:
>
> On 04.07.2009 19:03, Martin wrote:
>> Independently on what Michael will choose to do: git, launchpad, pecl
>> etc. if no one is interested to start coding something new the project
>> is lost...
>
> This problem is solved as soon as FPM gets into the core.
> Until then I personally see not much point in spending time on it.
>
> --
> Wbr,
> Antony Dovgal
> ---
> http://pinba.org - realtime statistics for PHP
>
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Re: Survey, someone have skills/time to continue the development of php-fpm? July 04, 2009 06:10PM |
Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 833 |
How does this look for a survey?
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=VTP29fjZm1s_2fYRFgodOHww_3d_3d
Ideally we'd have one survey for each combination. I need to add
quickly a question about many servers in deployment using PHP-FPM, and
OS too.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Michael Shadle<mike503@gmail.com> wrote:
> You don't think there is any value in enhancing it in the meantime?
>
> There's some gaps that could be bridged ahead of time so when they are
> ready to accept it into the core, we'll have things like a reporting
> interface, adaptive process spawning, possibly even dynamic
> reconfiguration, and whatever else.
>
> I'd like to at least keep focus on the adaptive process spawning -
> that is the major lacking feature and it would be great if that could
> get implemented asap.
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Antony Dovgal<tony@daylessday.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 04.07.2009 19:03, Martin wrote:
>>> Independently on what Michael will choose to do: git, launchpad, pecl
>>> etc. if no one is interested to start coding something new the project
>>> is lost...
>>
>> This problem is solved as soon as FPM gets into the core.
>> Until then I personally see not much point in spending time on it.
>>
>> --
>> Wbr,
>> Antony Dovgal
>> ---
>> http://pinba.org - realtime statistics for PHP
>>
>
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=VTP29fjZm1s_2fYRFgodOHww_3d_3d
Ideally we'd have one survey for each combination. I need to add
quickly a question about many servers in deployment using PHP-FPM, and
OS too.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Michael Shadle<mike503@gmail.com> wrote:
> You don't think there is any value in enhancing it in the meantime?
>
> There's some gaps that could be bridged ahead of time so when they are
> ready to accept it into the core, we'll have things like a reporting
> interface, adaptive process spawning, possibly even dynamic
> reconfiguration, and whatever else.
>
> I'd like to at least keep focus on the adaptive process spawning -
> that is the major lacking feature and it would be great if that could
> get implemented asap.
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Antony Dovgal<tony@daylessday.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 04.07.2009 19:03, Martin wrote:
>>> Independently on what Michael will choose to do: git, launchpad, pecl
>>> etc. if no one is interested to start coding something new the project
>>> is lost...
>>
>> This problem is solved as soon as FPM gets into the core.
>> Until then I personally see not much point in spending time on it.
>>
>> --
>> Wbr,
>> Antony Dovgal
>> ---
>> http://pinba.org - realtime statistics for PHP
>>
>
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Antony Dovgal
Re: Survey, someone have skills/time to continue the development of php-fpm? July 04, 2009 06:46PM |
On 05.07.2009 00:32, Michael Shadle wrote:
> You don't think there is any value in enhancing it in the meantime?
It's just much more convenient when you don't have to mess with patches or forks.
Also I feel more like contributing to PHP than some side-project.
> There's some gaps that could be bridged ahead of time so when they are
> ready to accept it into the core, we'll have things like a reporting
> interface, adaptive process spawning, possibly even dynamic
> reconfiguration, and whatever else.
So what exactly you were told about the merge?
Are you waiting for PECL infrastructure?
Or did Rasmus (or whoever else it was) just take a timeout to think it over?
BTW, it would be nice if you keep the list in CC: when you talk to Rasmus and others, just to keep us informed.
I, for one, didn't even know you were discussing it already.
--
Wbr,
Antony Dovgal
---
http://pinba.org - realtime statistics for PHP
> You don't think there is any value in enhancing it in the meantime?
It's just much more convenient when you don't have to mess with patches or forks.
Also I feel more like contributing to PHP than some side-project.
> There's some gaps that could be bridged ahead of time so when they are
> ready to accept it into the core, we'll have things like a reporting
> interface, adaptive process spawning, possibly even dynamic
> reconfiguration, and whatever else.
So what exactly you were told about the merge?
Are you waiting for PECL infrastructure?
Or did Rasmus (or whoever else it was) just take a timeout to think it over?
BTW, it would be nice if you keep the list in CC: when you talk to Rasmus and others, just to keep us informed.
I, for one, didn't even know you were discussing it already.
--
Wbr,
Antony Dovgal
---
http://pinba.org - realtime statistics for PHP
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Re: Survey, someone have skills/time to continue the development of php-fpm? July 04, 2009 07:30PM |
Registered: 15 years ago Posts: 833 |
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Antony Dovgal<tony@daylessday.org> wrote:
> It's just much more convenient when you don't have to mess with patches or forks.
> Also I feel more like contributing to PHP than some side-project.
Well the expectation is they would receive a single package with the
new features in it. Not a mishmash of patches and forks. Just the
mainline stuff.
> So what exactly you were told about the merge?
> Are you waiting for PECL infrastructure?
> Or did Rasmus (or whoever else it was) just take a timeout to think it over?
I believe Rasmus told me himself that there was discussion of merging
it, but that has also been mentioned by others on one of the mailing
lists, and the license was in the way. Rasmus told me my first move
should be get it into PECL so more eyes are on it, but when I
announced it to the different lists it had some of the key people
involved (Andrei gave me a couple names to include) mention about
merging it into PHP itself. I think there are some enhancements, not
just the FPM portion to the FastCGI SAPI that they like.
> BTW, it would be nice if you keep the list in CC: when you talk to Rasmus and others, just to keep us informed.
> I, for one, didn't even know you were discussing it already.
Sorry, the PHP internals list hates a lot of chit-chat, so I've tried
to keep it low there. I guess I didn't think to include this list as
cross-posting seems to be frowned upon (not to mention anyone who
replies to all will get moderated posts on other lists if they're
non-members, etc, etc.)
I've discussed this on PHP internals, PHP general (I believe) and
PECL-DEV, each list has been cc'ed by the other and the current
FastCGI SAPI maintainers are in the loop.
I'll namedrop some folks, I suppose, including yourself (whom I
consider to be reputable PHP/PECL/FastCGI developers)
Dmitry Stogov - I think he's in charge of the FCGI SAPI right now
Andi Gutmans
Stanislav Malyshev
I put your name down too
There may have been a 5th. I forget...
Anyway this is the last email I got. Sometime this week I'll send him
a gentle ping reminding him about this if he doesn't email me back.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I will discuss with Dmitry this week and we can let you know if/how we could help, and even if not what would be good next steps for you to find someone who can do it.
>
> Best,
>
> Andi
> It's just much more convenient when you don't have to mess with patches or forks.
> Also I feel more like contributing to PHP than some side-project.
Well the expectation is they would receive a single package with the
new features in it. Not a mishmash of patches and forks. Just the
mainline stuff.
> So what exactly you were told about the merge?
> Are you waiting for PECL infrastructure?
> Or did Rasmus (or whoever else it was) just take a timeout to think it over?
I believe Rasmus told me himself that there was discussion of merging
it, but that has also been mentioned by others on one of the mailing
lists, and the license was in the way. Rasmus told me my first move
should be get it into PECL so more eyes are on it, but when I
announced it to the different lists it had some of the key people
involved (Andrei gave me a couple names to include) mention about
merging it into PHP itself. I think there are some enhancements, not
just the FPM portion to the FastCGI SAPI that they like.
> BTW, it would be nice if you keep the list in CC: when you talk to Rasmus and others, just to keep us informed.
> I, for one, didn't even know you were discussing it already.
Sorry, the PHP internals list hates a lot of chit-chat, so I've tried
to keep it low there. I guess I didn't think to include this list as
cross-posting seems to be frowned upon (not to mention anyone who
replies to all will get moderated posts on other lists if they're
non-members, etc, etc.)
I've discussed this on PHP internals, PHP general (I believe) and
PECL-DEV, each list has been cc'ed by the other and the current
FastCGI SAPI maintainers are in the loop.
I'll namedrop some folks, I suppose, including yourself (whom I
consider to be reputable PHP/PECL/FastCGI developers)
Dmitry Stogov - I think he's in charge of the FCGI SAPI right now
Andi Gutmans
Stanislav Malyshev
I put your name down too
There may have been a 5th. I forget...
Anyway this is the last email I got. Sometime this week I'll send him
a gentle ping reminding him about this if he doesn't email me back.
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I will discuss with Dmitry this week and we can let you know if/how we could help, and even if not what would be good next steps for you to find someone who can do it.
>
> Best,
>
> Andi
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Antony Dovgal
Re: Survey, someone have skills/time to continue the development of php-fpm? July 05, 2009 01:25PM |
On 05.07.2009 03:30, Michael Shadle wrote:
> Anyway this is the last email I got. Sometime this week I'll send him
> a gentle ping reminding him about this if he doesn't email me back.
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Andi Gutmans wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I will discuss with Dmitry this week and we can let you know if/how we could help, and even if not what would be good next steps for you to find someone who can do it.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andi
Ok, I'll contact Dmitry and try to add some fuel into this..
--
Wbr,
Antony Dovgal
---
http://pinba.org - realtime statistics for PHP
> Anyway this is the last email I got. Sometime this week I'll send him
> a gentle ping reminding him about this if he doesn't email me back.
>
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Andi Gutmans wrote:
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I will discuss with Dmitry this week and we can let you know if/how we could help, and even if not what would be good next steps for you to find someone who can do it.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andi
Ok, I'll contact Dmitry and try to add some fuel into this..
--
Wbr,
Antony Dovgal
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