I mean.... really?

If you're looking for performance, is Windows really your target OS?
and security?

Not to mention things like php-fpm don't exist...

I've been surprised at the demand for nginx on Windows. I figure
people running nginx are looking for a high performance solution, and
why anyone would run Windows for python/perl/php/fastcgi stuff makes
me very confused. I'd only run Windows if I needed .NET/ASP/something
Windows-y.

Oh well :)

> If you're looking for performance, is Windows really your target OS?
> and security?

You might be responsible for the webserver, but not the OS.
Security-wise dunno, but i've heard good things about Server 2007 in
general. Personally i wouldn't use Redmond stuff unless i had no other
choice.

> Not to mention things like php-fpm don't exist...
Isn't there CLI PHP? Hmm... you'd need a daemon for that...

> I've been surprised at the demand for nginx on Windows. I figure
> people running nginx are looking for a high performance solution, and
> why anyone would run Windows for python/perl/php/fastcgi stuff makes
> me very confused. I'd only run Windows if I needed .NET/ASP/something
> Windows-y.

Like i said, the webadmin might have no say on the OS. Or they may be
brainwashed, not uncommon, i had a classmate (computer Engineering!!)
that told me last week he didn't try linux 'cos it wasn't
user-friendly... I asked him if he ever had tried, maybe Ubuntu or
anthing gnome... No, he'd never tried it. It's a sad but true example,
some people are taught to be mouse engineers and all they see is the
winlogo. Alas...

Cheers,
Nuno Magalhães

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Igor,

Don't waste your time on the Windows build. Concentrate on making nginx
better and better on Linux.

nginx is by far the best, and keeps getting better and better. Making
everything work on windows will just slow you down.

It is amazing how great a product you have developed, and I have loved
watching the progress, and I love using your server.

If you are using nginx on Windows, then you are an idiot. Go away and
use apache or IIS.

John




Michael Shadle wrote:
> I mean.... really?
>
> If you're looking for performance, is Windows really your target OS?
> and security?
>
> Not to mention things like php-fpm don't exist...
>
> I've been surprised at the demand for nginx on Windows. I figure
> people running nginx are looking for a high performance solution, and
> why anyone would run Windows for python/perl/php/fastcgi stuff makes
> me very confused. I'd only run Windows if I needed .NET/ASP/something
> Windows-y.
>
> Oh well :)
>
>

While I tend to agree with the general sentiment, I don't think it's
necessary to insult people over their choice of technology.

Regards,
Cliff


On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 16:54 -0500, Resicow wrote:
> Igor,
>
> Don't waste your time on the Windows build. Concentrate on making nginx
> better and better on Linux.
>
> nginx is by far the best, and keeps getting better and better. Making
> everything work on windows will just slow you down.
>
> It is amazing how great a product you have developed, and I have loved
> watching the progress, and I love using your server.
>
> If you are using nginx on Windows, then you are an idiot. Go away and
> use apache or IIS.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> Michael Shadle wrote:
> > I mean.... really?
> >
> > If you're looking for performance, is Windows really your target OS?
> > and security?
> >
> > Not to mention things like php-fpm don't exist...
> >
> > I've been surprised at the demand for nginx on Windows. I figure
> > people running nginx are looking for a high performance solution, and
> > why anyone would run Windows for python/perl/php/fastcgi stuff makes
> > me very confused. I'd only run Windows if I needed .NET/ASP/something
> > Windows-y.
> >
> > Oh well :)
> >
> >
>
>

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 22:54, Resicow <resicow@gmail.com> wrote:
> Igor,
>
> Don't waste your time on the Windows build. Concentrate on making nginx
> better and better on Linux.

If he makes it ISO/ANSI, all it takes is a volunteer to compile. I'd
say *nix, not Linux. Also... better, bigger more feature-filled...
then what? A new apache? A KISS approach is always welcomed.

> nginx is by far the best, and keeps getting better and better. Making
> everything work on windows will just slow you down.

That's his call. See above.

> If you are using nginx on Windows, then you are an idiot. Go away and use
> apache or IIS.

Grow up.

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YES! FORGET WINDOWS SUPPORT! Let's make the best even better.



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nginx@sysoev.ru [mailto:owner-nginx@sysoev.ru] On Behalf Of Resicow
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:55 PM
To: nginx@sysoev.ru
Subject: Re: Is anyone else amazed at how many people use nginx on Windows?

Igor,

Don't waste your time on the Windows build. Concentrate on making nginx
better and better on Linux.

nginx is by far the best, and keeps getting better and better. Making
everything work on windows will just slow you down.

It is amazing how great a product you have developed, and I have loved
watching the progress, and I love using your server.

If you are using nginx on Windows, then you are an idiot. Go away and
use apache or IIS.

John




Michael Shadle wrote:
> I mean.... really?
>
> If you're looking for performance, is Windows really your target OS?
> and security?
>
> Not to mention things like php-fpm don't exist...
>
> I've been surprised at the demand for nginx on Windows. I figure
> people running nginx are looking for a high performance solution, and
> why anyone would run Windows for python/perl/php/fastcgi stuff makes
> me very confused. I'd only run Windows if I needed .NET/ASP/something
> Windows-y.
>
> Oh well :)
>
>

Yeah it is his call, but now all you have are people complaining and whining
that their windows build doesn't work.

You want to keep it simple? Keep the windows people away.

Unless you are planning on building a full GUI for nginx. Without a GUI,
windows people start to cry.

2009/5/6 Nuno Magalhães

> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 22:54, Resicow wrote:
> > Igor,
> >
> > Don't waste your time on the Windows build. Concentrate on making nginx
> > better and better on Linux.
>
> If he makes it ISO/ANSI, all it takes is a volunteer to compile. I'd
> say *nix, not Linux. Also... better, bigger more feature-filled...
> then what? A new apache? A KISS approach is always welcomed.
>
> > nginx is by far the best, and keeps getting better and better. Making
> > everything work on windows will just slow you down.
>
> That's his call. See above.
>
> > If you are using nginx on Windows, then you are an idiot. Go away and use
> > apache or IIS.
>
> Grow up.
>
> --
> () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail
> /\ ascii-rubanda kampajno - kontraŭ html-a retpoŝto
>
>

These must be trolls...

Yes, lets have a vote. Lets vote to END windows support.

+1 to end support.

No I understand why you would want windows support. nginx is the best, and
bringing nginx to windows just opens the server up to a larger user base.
BUT that user base *should* come to *nix if they want nginx. We all know
*nix is better.

2009/5/6 Nuno Magalh

Yeah, I did not mean to start a flame war. Obviously this will bring
up the religious windows vs. linux/unix. I just found it quite
interesting so many people were interested and seemed to be expecting
the native Windows release.

I do slightly disagree though. Sure, a developer might not have OS
selection options and the system administrator ultimately makes the
call, butif you're able to make a decision not he webserver being
used, you should have some influence on the OS too.

I did try the nginx that Kevin(?) built I believe was his name (sorry
if I forgot your name dude) on my laptop so I could develop
locally/remotely, but then I realized for PHP support I'v ebeen
relying on php-fpm, and I had no clue how to get PHP going under
fastcgi on Windows...

I wound up using XAMPP or something and just kept the work I did simple.

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Cliff Wells <cliff@develix.com> wrote:
> While I tend to agree with the general sentiment, I don't think it's
> necessary to insult people over their choice of technology.
>
> Regards,
> Cliff

My goodness. I agree, this was a legitimate question/statement on Mike's part. I'll admit I am surprised. I use Windows on my desktop machine to run some native Windows apps for my business. I also run Linux on the same box for lots of other things. My laptop is a MacBook Pro. All of my servers run Linux. It works best for my purposes at this time. If I were to start over I might use FreeBSD but that's a war I don't want to start on this list. It would, however, make the crowd in Redmond happy to see people fighting over *nix system choices, yet some would call you an "idiot" for choosing Linux over BSD for an OS.

Calling someone "an idiot" for their choice of technology is like calling someone an idiot for their politics or for their religion.

The is *clearly* a demand for a Windows version. Igor is developing it for his own reasons. Unless you are signing his paychecks, the only "vote" that counts is Igor's.

Jim

I am thankful to Igor for all of his hard work and the time he's spent
to deliver a lightweight web server.

Being a person from a windows AND linux background, I appreciate the
effort put into the Windows side. Before these native builds, I was
compiling and providing my Cygwin builds to the Windows crowd for
exactly the reason that

--
Kevin Worthington

On May 6, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Michael Shadle <mike503@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I did not mean to start a flame war. Obviously this will bring
> up the religious windows vs. linux/unix. I just found it quite
> interesting so many people were interested and seemed to be expecting
> the native Windows release.
>
> I do slightly disagree though. Sure, a developer might not have OS
> selection options and the system administrator ultimately makes the
> call, butif you're able to make a decision not he webserver being
> used, you should have some influence on the OS too.
>
> I did try the nginx that Kevin(?) built I believe was his name (sorry
> if I forgot your name dude) on my laptop so I could develop
> locally/remotely, but then I realized for PHP support I'v ebeen
> relying on php-fpm, and I had no clue how to get PHP going under
> fastcgi on Windows...
>
> I wound up using XAMPP or something and just kept the work I did
> simple.
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Cliff Wells <cliff@develix.com> wrote:
>> While I tend to agree with the general sentiment, I don't think it's
>> necessary to insult people over their choice of technology.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cliff
>

(cont'd) Before these native builds, I was compiling and
> providing my Cygwin builds to the Windows crowd for exactly the reason that Michael mentioned: to be able to develop on Windows locally, using a light web server that's simple to get up and running.

So as an Nginx enthusiast from both worlds, I ask you not to troll.
Nginx is great software, and if Igor wants to concentrate on spreading
it to as many platforms as possible, I am all for it. Likewise, I
would not be upset if he concentrates solely on *nix - I will continue
with my Cygwin builds/setup packages for Windows. That is the beauty
of open source software - developers can concentrate on whatever
they'd like, and if a niche exists elsewhere, someone else will fill
it, if so inclined.

Thanks for reading,
Kevin
--
Kevin Worthington




On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Kevin Worthington
<kworthington@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am thankful to Igor for all of his hard work and the time he's spent to
> deliver a lightweight web server.
>
> Being a person from a windows AND linux background, I appreciate the effort
> put into the Windows side. Before these native builds, I was compiling and
> providing my Cygwin builds to the Windows crowd for exactly the reason that
>
> --
> Kevin Worthington
>
> On May 6, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Michael Shadle <mike503@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I did not mean to start a flame war. Obviously this will bring
>> up the religious windows vs. linux/unix. I just found it quite
>> interesting so many people were interested and seemed to be expecting
>> the native Windows release.
>>
>> I do slightly disagree though. Sure, a developer might not have OS
>> selection options and the system administrator ultimately makes the
>> call, butif you're able to make a decision not he webserver being
>> used, you should have some influence on the OS too.
>>
>> I did try the nginx that Kevin(?) built I believe was his name (sorry
>> if I forgot your name dude) on my laptop so I could develop
>> locally/remotely, but then I realized for PHP support I'v ebeen
>> relying on php-fpm, and I had no clue how to get PHP going under
>> fastcgi on Windows...
>>
>> I wound up using XAMPP or something and just kept the work I did simple.
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Cliff Wells <cliff@develix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I tend to agree with the general sentiment, I don't think it's
>>> necessary to insult people over their choice of technology.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Cliff
>>
>

On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 04:54:43PM -0500, Resicow wrote:
> Don't waste your time on the Windows build. Concentrate on making nginx
> better and better on Linux.

Or don't waste time on Linux, and just stick with BSD where it all
started.

> nginx is by far the best, and keeps getting better and better. Making
> everything work on windows will just slow you down.

Why let all the Linuxisms and GNUisms slow you down. Stick with BSD.

> It is amazing how great a product you have developed, and I have loved
> watching the progress, and I love using your server.
>
> If you are using nginx on Windows, then you are an idiot. Go away and
> use apache or IIS.

If you are using nginx on Linux, then you are...

Ok, enough. You should have gotten the point by now.

I'm no fan of Windows, and I don't give a hoot if nginx is ever
available on Windows. But it's also way out of line to tell Igor and
anyone else how to spend their time. I'm just glad nginx was written,
and new features added, and supported here by Igor and others, all
available under a great license.

--
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dwchandler@stilyagin.com | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/
http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation

On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 17:31 -0500, Resi Cow wrote:
> Yes, lets have a vote. Lets vote to END windows support.
>
> +1 to end support.

I wasn't aware Igor had elected to make the direction of Nginx
development a democracy. Until such time as he does, the only "vote"
you get is to use and modify the source code he provides in whatever way
you wish. It doesn't give you the right to dictate how others use and
modify that code. It certainly doesn't give you the right to dictate to
Igor himself what he should or shouldn't work on.

My vote is to let Igor continue to do the fine job he's done to date.
If he feels a Windows port is worth having, then I wish him luck.

Cliff

Ha ha, you guys are so serious. Calm down.

First, Igor doesn't have to listen to me, not did I ever tell him to stop
windows development.

He can do whatever he wants, he is the king of nginx, the best server
software on the planet.

I was just saying that if Igor has "limited" time to work on nginx (i.e. he
can't work 24/7 on it), and if windows development is going to cause a lot
of pain and hassle, then is it really work it?

If it is great, it is up to him, he is the man. Nobody said otherwise.

My vote is just a vote, don't you get the sarcasm. He doesn't have to listen
to me, nor do I expect him to. It's not a democracy, it is up to him. I have
NO problem with that.

What I will do is continue to use his great software, and report bugs or
other problems as I run into them, to continue to help him make the best
server software... period.

You just won't see me using nginx on Windows anytime soon ;-).

Okay so can we have a new vote to END replies to this thread!

We all love nginx here, so lets all chill and have a drink.




On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Cliff Wells wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 17:31 -0500, Resi Cow wrote:
> > Yes, lets have a vote. Lets vote to END windows support.
> >
> > +1 to end support.
>
> I wasn't aware Igor had elected to make the direction of Nginx
> development a democracy. Until such time as he does, the only "vote"
> you get is to use and modify the source code he provides in whatever way
> you wish. It doesn't give you the right to dictate how others use and
> modify that code. It certainly doesn't give you the right to dictate to
> Igor himself what he should or shouldn't work on.
>
> My vote is to let Igor continue to do the fine job he's done to date.
> If he feels a Windows port is worth having, then I wish him luck.
>
> Cliff
>
>
>

On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 19:04 -0500, Resi Cow wrote:

>
> We all love nginx here, so lets all chill and have a drink.

+1 on that.

Cliff

I think what people were unhappy with was not your "vote" but your
statement that "If you are using nginx on Windows, then you are an
idiot. Go away and
use apache or IIS".

You should grow up.

That said, I agree, this has run its course.

Resi Cow wrote:
> Ha ha, you guys are so serious. Calm down.
>
> First, Igor doesn't have to listen to me, not did I ever tell him to
> stop windows development.
>
> He can do whatever he wants, he is the king of nginx, the best server
> software on the planet.
>
> I was just saying that if Igor has "limited" time to work on nginx
> (i.e. he can't work 24/7 on it), and if windows development is going
> to cause a lot of pain and hassle, then is it really work it?
>
> If it is great, it is up to him, he is the man. Nobody said otherwise.
>
> My vote is just a vote, don't you get the sarcasm. He doesn't have to
> listen to me, nor do I expect him to. It's not a democracy, it is up
> to him. I have NO problem with that.
>
> What I will do is continue to use his great software, and report bugs
> or other problems as I run into them, to continue to help him make the
> best server software... period.
>
> You just won't see me using nginx on Windows anytime soon ;-).
>
> Okay so can we have a new vote to END replies to this thread!
>
> We all love nginx here, so lets all chill and have a drink.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Cliff Wells <cliff@develix.com
> <mailto:cliff@develix.com>> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 17:31 -0500, Resi Cow wrote:
> > Yes, lets have a vote. Lets vote to END windows support.
> >
> > +1 to end support.
>
> I wasn't aware Igor had elected to make the direction of Nginx
> development a democracy. Until such time as he does, the only "vote"
> you get is to use and modify the source code he provides in
> whatever way
> you wish. It doesn't give you the right to dictate how others
> use and
> modify that code. It certainly doesn't give you the right to
> dictate to
> Igor himself what he should or shouldn't work on.
>
> My vote is to let Igor continue to do the fine job he's done to date.
> If he feels a Windows port is worth having, then I wish him luck.
>
> Cliff
>
>
>

Peace...

Okay new vote... if you download nginx for windows you have to donate:

http://sysoev.ru/en/donation.html

Ha ha no I am joking, have a great night everyone!

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Cliff Wells wrote:

> On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 19:04 -0500, Resi Cow wrote:
>
> >
> > We all love nginx here, so lets all chill and have a drink.
>
> +1 on that.
>
> Cliff
>
>
>

> I mean.... really?
>
> If you're looking for performance, is Windows really your target OS?
> and security?
>
> Not to mention things like php-fpm don't exist...
>
> I've been surprised at the demand for nginx on Windows. I figure
> people running nginx are looking for a high performance solution, and
> why anyone would run Windows for python/perl/php/fastcgi stuff makes
> me very confused. I'd only run Windows if I needed .NET/ASP/something
> Windows-y.
>
> Oh well :)
>


I need windows version. NO WHY.



That's my answer.



Regards,



Robert Kwok